Mind over Matter by Tom Vasich

http://www.healthcanal.com/mental-health-behavior/22606-Mind-over-matter.html

Samueli Center offers self-awareness course to lessen stress and foster well-being.

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Near Death Experience Research Foundation (NDERF) interview with Anita Moorjani

http://www.nderf.org/anita_m’s_nde.htm

For decades, extensive research has been done to localize consciousness and memories inside the brain, so far without success.

NDE is a new topic for me and I have never delved into it …….the following are the parts that really spoke to me from NDERF website

  • Nearly all people who have experienced an NDE lose their fear of death. This is due to the realization that there is a continuation of consciousness, even when you have been declared dead by bystanders or even by doctors. You are separated from the lifeless body, retaining the ability of perception. Following an NDE people know of the continuity of their consciousness, retaining all thoughts and past events. And this insight causes exactly their process of transformation and the loss of fear of death. Man appears to be more than just a body.
  • Each living being is in an unstable balance of two opposing processes of continual disintegration and integration. But no one realizes this constant change. And from where comes the continuity of our continually changing body? Cells are just the building blocks of our body, like the bricks of a house, but who is the architect, who coordinates the building of this house. When someone has died, only mortal remains are left: only matter. But where is the director of the body? What about our consciousness when we die? Is someone his body, or do we “have” a body?
  • Patients with an NDE did not show any fear of death, they strongly believed in an afterlife, and their insight in what is important in life had changed: love and compassion for oneself, for others, and for nature. They now understood the cosmic law that everything one does to others will ultimately be returned to oneself: hatred and violence as well as love and compassion. Remarkably, there was often evidence of increased intuitive feelings. Furthermore, the long lasting transformational effects of an experience that lasts only a few minutes was a surprising and unexpected finding.
  • With lack of evidence for any other theories for NDE, the concept thus far assumed but never scientifically proven, that consciousness and memories are localized in the brain should be discussed. Traditionally, it has been argued that thoughts or consciousness are produced by large groups of neurons or neuronal networks. How could a clear consciousness outside one’s body be experienced at the moment that the brain no longer functions during a period of clinical death, with flat EEG?  Furthermore, blind people have also described veridical perceptions during out-of-body experiences at the time of their NDE. Scientific study of NDE pushes us to the limits of our medical and neurophysiological ideas about the range of human consciousness and relationship of consciousness and memories to the brain.
  • During this life review the subject feels the presence and renewed experience of not only every act but also every thought from one’s past life, and one realizes that all of it is an energy field which influences oneself as well as others. All that has been done and thought seems to be significant and stored. Insight is obtained about whether love was given or on the contrary withheld. Because one is connected with the memories, emotions and consciousness of another person, you experience the consequences of your own thoughts, words and actions to that other person at the very moment in the past that they occurred. Hence there is during a life review a connection with the fields of consciousness of other persons as well as with your own fields of consciousness (interconnectedness). Patients survey their whole life in one glance; time and space do not seem to exist during such an experience. Instantaneously they are where they concentrate upon (non-locality), and they can talk for hours about the content of the life review even though the resuscitation only took minutes.
  • If deceased acquaintances or relatives are encountered in an otherworldly dimension, they are usually recognized by their appearance, while communication is possible through thought transfer. Thus, during an NDE it is also possible to come into contact with fields of consciousness of deceased persons (interconnectedness).
  • Some patients can describe how they returned into their body, mostly through the top of the head, after they had come to understand through wordless communication with a Being of Light or a deceased relative that “it wasn’t their time yet” or that “they still had a task to fulfil.” 
  • How could a clear consciousness outside one’s body be experienced at the moment that the brain no longer functions during a period of clinical death, with a flat EEG? Such a brain would be roughly analogous to a computer with its power source unplugged and its circuits detached. It couldn’t hallucinate; it couldn’t do anything at all. As stated before, up to the present it has generally been assumed that consciousness and memories are localized inside the brain, that the brain produces them. According to this unproven concept, consciousness and memories ought to vanish with physical death, and necessary also during clinical death or brain death. However, during an NDE patients experience the continuity of their consciousness with the possibility of perception outside and above one’s lifeless body. Consciousness can be experienced in another dimension without our conventional body-linked concept of time and space, where all past, present and future events exist and can be observed simultaneously and instantaneously (non-locality). In the other dimension, one can be connected with the personal memories and fields of consciousness of oneself as well as others, including deceased relatives (universal interconnectedness). And the conscious return into one’s body can be experienced, together with the feeling of bodily limitation, and also sometimes the awareness of the loss of universal wisdom and love they had experienced during their NDE.

 

QUANTUM PHYSICS

The act of observation instantly changes a probability into an actuality by collapse of the wave function. Roger Penrose calls this resolution of multiple possibilities into one definitive state “objective reduction”. So it seems that no observation is possible without fundamentally changing the observed subject; only subjectivity remains.

 

CONCLUSION

According to our concept, grounded on the reported aspects of consciousness experienced during cardiac arrest, we can conclude that our consciousness could be based on fields of information, consisting of waves, and that it originates in the phase-space. During cardiac arrest, the functioning of the brain and of other cells in our body stops because of anoxia. The electromagnetic fields of our neurons and other cells disappear, and the possibility of resonance, the interface between consciousness and physical body, is interrupted.

Such understanding fundamentally changes one’s opinion about death, because of the almost unavoidable conclusion that at the time of physical death consciousness will continue to be experienced in another dimension, in an invisible and immaterial world, the phase-space, in which all past, present and future is enclosed. Research on NDE cannot give us the irrefutable scientific proof of this conclusion, because people with an NDE did not quite die, but they all were very, very close to death, without a functioning brain.

The conclusion that consciousness can be experienced independently of brain function might well induce a huge change in the scientific paradigm in western medicine, and could have practical implications in actual medical and ethical problems such as the care for comatose or dying patients, euthanasia, abortion, and the removal of organs for transplantation from somebody in the dying process with a beating heart in a warm body but a diagnosis of brain death.

There are still more questions than answers, but, based on the aforementioned theoretical aspects of the obviously experienced continuity of our consciousness, we finally should consider the possibility that death, like birth, may well be a mere passing from one state of consciousness to another.

 

Alan Watts – What We Are

Anita Moorjani – Creating Heaven on Earth

http://anitamoorjani.com/

On 2nd February 2006, Anita Moorjani experienced what most of us never have! She crossed over and came back to share what she learned.

Eckhart Tolle on 2012 and the End of the World

Confessions of a happychondriac by David Shariatmadari

http://gu.com/p/33xj6

The coast apparently makes people very happy and green places more than urban areas.

Dr Jon Kabat-Zinn and more to speak at BEING HUMAN 2012 EVENT

http://www.elevatedexistence.com/blog/?p=564

Watching LIVE via Webstream Eckhart Tolle and Wayne Dyer in Hawaii: Part 1

ET: I first became aware of your teachings while I was living in London and a friend of mine gave me a book, she worked in the famous bookstore Watkins, the oldest metaphysical bookstore in the world and she gave me a novel the author was Wayne Dyer, this was in the 80s and it was a novel about a woman from outer space who came to the planet to give spiritual teachings.

WD: Right, her name was Eykis, actually my daughter was born that year, it was her name spelled backwards, Skye, it was about someone who visited another world, where it was exact duplicate of earth, except that the people there, were neurotic like we are here, except that they were neurotic there because there was a reason to be. When this visitor first checked in to the hotel, he turned on the TV set, someone gave the news, then they gave the weather, then they gave the sports and then the anxiety attack report, the likelihood of anxiety attacking over the weekend: it was coming in high, it was coming in  fast over the mountains, you wanna get out your Xanax, your No-Pain and tranquilizers because it is going to be heavy doses of anxiety because here on Uranus, which is the title of the place that they went, anxiety really attacks and Eykis comes to Earth and she’s looking at all these people saying they’re having anxiety attacks, but there is no anxiety and it doesn’t attack! The original title of that book was going to be called “If you want to be happy get your head out of your anus” but it turned out to be a little more serious, we’re actually making a movie of that book, it is the only fiction I ever undertaken.

ET : Reminds me a little bit of Aldous Huxley, he wrote a novel called “Island” , which is about a fictitious island, where somebody gets shipwrecked on this island, where he begins to realise the natives live consciously and in awareness and even the parrots in the trees have been trained to remind people to be conscious so they say things like “Attention!! Attention!!” meaning be there, be present, one could say be there as the witnessing presence of your mind, so if you haven’t read it yet, you might enjoy that and is your book still available?

WD: Yes it is, it is in print, everything I’ve done is still in print, it is amazing. It is called “Gifts from Eykis”. what you are saying is reminding me of Mary Oliver, a well known poet, she wrote a poem I used to recite in my talks called “Wild Geese and she was asked: “What are the secrets of living an enlightened life? ” and she said it all boils down to and it reminds me of what you have just said :

Pay attention, be astonished, and tell other people“,  she said that’s all you need for a successful life.  I think that paying attention

ET:is the key

WD: it is a big part of what you do, I know…

ET: I have told that story in the past but not for a few years, it is about a Zen teacher who actually lived in Japan about a 100 years ago, and his only teaching whenever he was asked to explain the meaning of Zen, his only answer would be  to raise his index finger and to look at you, that is the meaning of Zen, what it points to of course is the state of presence, the alert presence. That’s the whole teaching. Of course, Zen is, many people who are drawn to Zen, try to understand it conceptually and they just do not get it, I know Zen monks who just do not get it! because there is nothing to understand conceptually, it is entering the state of consciousness of presence, so it is  frustrating, so Zen developed methods to frustrate the mind even more so that it finally gives up its attempt to understand or to know conceptually, that is not just Zen it is the essence, even  “A Course in Miracles”  says “your understanding is not a powerful contribution to the truth” !

And the paradox is that out of that state of presence very often is that if there is really something you need to know, it arises.

WD: Someone sent me a T-shirt, I gave it  to my son, it says “Don’t just do something, stand there”. Like a Zen master!

ET: and that brings us to an interesting topic, and that is being and doing. To reconcile within oneself the two dimensions because here as human beings we are called upon to take action and to create, as the Universe loves to create, new forms, billions, trillions of life forms, we are part of this love of this Universe to create form, and then, and I know that because I have observed myself, and you know it because you know yourself, the Universe also wants to know its own essence through you, the Source, it wants the conscious realisation of the Source and in human beings that  is expressed as the draw towards, to be totally content with what is, to be totally at peace in the present moment, to long for that state of absolute beautiful deep peace and I call that, in a minute I’d like your input, I call that the outgoing movement of the Universe is wanting to create and the return movement that the Universe is wanting to know itself, through the human, as in its essence, perhaps everybody here can also feel that within, yes you want to do things but you also want to be, so to not to lose Being while you do and not lose yourself in the doing, get stressed, getting the fruit of the action, the Bhagavad Gītā, not to always look to the next thing to attain so that you remain rooted in Being, and then act from there, out of rootedness, not out of egoic need to have but out of the inner fullness .

And i am sure you have a lot of contribute

i think of moby dick, the author says

“as this appaliing ocean surrounds this verdant … full of peace and joy but encompassed by all the horros of the half lived life”

major problem of world and us, we havebn’t been brought up with our divine, we are part of God, this ordinary part of us, the part of us called the ego, believes who we are is what we accunulate … we want to own things, born into this world with nothing

the Tao does nothing and leaves nothing undone.

My son says I do nothing and I leave nothing undone!

Programmed into a life of accumulating and achieving, we don’t get to the part of us

The extraordinary part of us still has ordinary in it. We still have to follow the rules, beyond ordinary is this what we call the Soul, the Tao that can be named …

the extradorinary part of who we all are is the Soul, the formless, boundless, birthless. deathless, this part of us doenst care of winning, being better, it just wants to expand, the soul is miserable when it is contained, all of us have the soul which is infinite, if it was finite you would be able to find beginning and end. what is infinity? always expanding! this we need to address within oursleves. doesnt need to be better than anyone else. My entire life i have been intrigued by people who do extraordinary things.

Unbroken by Laura Hillerbrand – a story of a man who survived impossible things! what he accomplished, how he survived. we need to address ourselves to creating a world of extraordinary people. We can impact

ET

the basis for that, we talked about creating, you mentioned that part within everyone, the essence, the being, conscious union with that can then lead to awakened doing, if we go back to the being part, a Wayne was speaking, pointing towards that dimension within you, the question is wheter at theis very moment, can u sense the reality in that? can we sense the reality within ourselves where u r no longer deriving sense of who u r from ideas in your head, who u feel ur, limited self, the conditioned self, time bound self, the delusion , jesus pointed to “deny thyself” essential point he teaches, is recognise the unreality of that self. basing your sense of who you are on what ideas you hold about who ur, never feeling fulfilled, u need to defend mental edifice, you need to add to it, at this moment can u sense that within u there is an unconditioned timeless consciousness, prior to all thinking whic his , u cannot make it into an object, it is the eternal subject, the one I, spacious presence, its sense of deep alivesnes which as nothin to do with your history or future, that is the liberation from false sense of self, exhilirating, presnece that cannot be conceptualised or named

Mugdananda was asked “what is real”” “that is real which never changes” You try to define yourself using that definition… how many bodies have u been in? when i was in a 20 year old body i cant find it

who ur is that which keeps occupying each body

deepak would say yor body whci hu came in

who we really are, there is a highest self, one of my teachings was , creator put a spark in each and everyone of us, in my own life, that spark can grow! until u ultimately reach another conclusion, that Jesus came to, why do u stone me? you claim to be God, St Paul said have in you the same mind as in christ jesus … equal with god

we’ve taken this idea, this infinite presence and interpreted the words

Jesus said “God is love”

ET the impermenance and inhabiting diff bodies, same applies to the psycchilogical, starting point of most peoples identity, next place they use is the psychological self image which is also changes, the stram of thinknig, the stream of emotions, who u consider yourself to be, double illusory identification , mental emotional vehicle which is not who ur, continual flux of forms. to recognise that it is a relief in a way. imeprmanece of phy and pscy form u say wow! to the ego, which is ident with that, to ego it is bad news, ego says dreadgul, depressing, but something else in u feels alive and exhilirating when u hear fact of impermenance, that wakens in u, u can call it pure consciousness, the formless, the phy body is a temp phy , deeper meaning of reincarnation, every time i get caught up in a thought, i reincarnate into form, into the thought form, u reincarnate into the mind continously, to stop this cycle or reincarnation, is to dont beleive every thought that arises in your head, u realsie thatthere is a dimension in u that is aware presnce . thoughts come and go, so u touch the place where ur not the phy body not thoughts and emotions, where u r that spacious presence, tyhe eternal I, the light of the qorld. jessu said I am the light of thw world and ur the light of thwe world.

WD : I am ” is very big in my cosnciousness. in the torah, moses floating in a basket, picked up and raissed as pharoah moses encounters burning bush, a voice says to moses “moses moses! ” I am – ur going to fre all your people who am i? i am going to b e with you? what is your name? my name is “Iam that Iam” that shall be my name for all future generations. I am is the name of God.

in the book of joel “I am strong” when u begin to see  i am well” the gift of imagination

Jesus i am the way, i am the resurrection, we place so much

be very careful when u use the words I am. everything that exists i am that, u can use the name. not only to look at it from acadameic philospohical view

how can we apply our teachings? this world we are in needs an i am god, in the sense of i am love in what we walk around in

first time life expectacny of a child less than its parents

a nation of addicts not just to illegal drugs, prescrioptons, 1970 2 billion presc tabs in usa indiviudal tabs 2007 113 billion , in 1 generation. overdoes of presc drugs, painkillers, anti psychotic. our food supply has bee ncontaminated. obese. lack of conscious

GMO in our food. violence 242 students to death in chicago. a few days ago in nevada 7 to 8 people blown away

contamination, addictions, projecting it

with oprah, the awareness when we reach levels of consciousness, here now present , we dont just affect ourselves but those around us . that was impactful. it is imp for me  not just bcas i feel better but next person i encounter will be impacted. we are called to this

ET the ppl u come into contact with, your state of consciousness transmits itself, 1 neg person can create a chain reactio, a conscious person can stop strwamsstops dissolves in the presence not only effect but collective firled of huma nconsciousness u effect countless others u never meet consciosnes is connected. at a deepr level

WD: Christian nortrup, she was excited i just saw a garden and u plant veggie s for u to eat whatever uenend vit deficience, cancer, thos plants nurtured by u , will prvifde

human consciousness, symbiotic, walk into a room mother theresea. room was in a diff state

When ur steadfast in your abstention from harm, all living creatures will seek to feel fear in you presence

we begin to recgnise we are god

TS Elliot we shall not ceasde in exploration ,

you don;t have to die

ET that is lways same truth in parable Jessu the prodigal son, an ancient parable in diff traditions, the son of a rich father, give me your inheritance, he travels and squanders, becomes beggar, in otehr versions he forgets who he is, he sits at roadside begging, father sends messengers thye find the don, do u know woh ur,? hee begins to remember, the return movement, when he returns, father loveshim more deeply. thisis the sotry of humanity, losing itself in externals. losing connectedness with sources of all being, we become beggars, humans not in spiritual awajeknin, whohave not connected consciously looking for scraps for fulfilment, houser to car, a new partner, anytrhing to give me fulfilment, seeking it htere, condition of person who has lost awareness of the source, the parable, u come into contasct with, justthe suffering becomes so much the pressureof it awakens it and u begin to realise who ur, u become aware of deep connectedness, your essential onesness. loved more4 deeply meaning when u regain awareness of being, which perhaps humans had , the golden age, in many cultures u have diff versions when ppl lived in happiness, that perhaps points our original connectedness then we lost it and now rteturnig to the fathershome to regasin awareness at as depper level, before natural staste, when u have lost something ,u appreciate it more deeplt. in the pat we lived in natural connectedness whe didnt know nature was ll therewas we created a world almost hostile dysfunctions of our condition now enormous sacredness of natural world when we go to the source there isa nadded dimesion i nnautral connectedness now there is a conscious connecteded

WD i thin it is ! w e have an ausdience Public TV! wishes for fulfilled. god is within everyone of us. always careful u cant sayu r good ur divine

it is my story i havve gottne lost on several occasions, orphanges, addictions, dealing with sepration, divorce, the pain , leukaemia, each one of theese has been almost a way for me to recgnise that all spiriutal advances are preced by a fall

Elizabeth cooper roos if u shield mnt from windstroms

the storms of my life, leukemia had brought me back to yuor source god, what came into my life are very significant people healing experience with John of God

Eckhart Tolle with Neale Donald Walsch

Watching LIVE via Webstream Eckhart Tolle and Ram Das in Hawaii: Q & A Part 6

Ram Das you mentioned your relationship with Maharaji. People look to the 2 of you as a guru figure for them. How do you think they can benefit the most from that relationship?

oprah sadi to me you are not a guru are you? I said “of courese not!”

I do not see myself as a guru, I was shocked when someone told me they had a photo of me on the desk, I said what for?

I saw a photo of Ramana Mahaji that has incredible light coming through, years ago looking at that photo, feeling, sensing that deep stillness and peace and aliveness, I alsl know that was not the form I was looking at but in me. it was a self-recognition, like a mirror. but what this mirror shows is your inner essence, a photo of an wake being or a person free of thought, something comes through the eyes that points to that. recognised by you, nothing to do with the person whatsoeve,r you sens your own essential reality reflected to you by somebody free  of all the stuff that usually covers it up

Cours in Miracle: supposed tobe Jesus talking – the awakend consciosness – I (Chris) have nothing that you do not have except that I have nothing else.

I am now quite happy with people looking at my photo as long as they do not think they are looking at the person – what you se with your senses is the window frame – the imp is the light that comes in – the momebnt you recognicse it  – it is you.

you can look into somebody elses yes, if you are able to cease thinknig together, jsut awareness, pure unconditioned unconsciosness, there is not other but a merging of the firled of awareness, you transcent the personal. You see yourself in the other. Lovely spiriutal practice, do not overdo it. You are not conceptuialising the human being. You sense the consciousness in the other through being consciopnsess yourself. It works in the same way.

Ram Dad – how do you feel with people looking at your photo?

Ram Dad

If you met a real one … Eckhart ” you are the real one!” yes so are you and everybody!

The Maharaji said is there enough light? the photographer said “you are the light!” and it worked.

Question from audience

How can you love violence, love, crime and starvation?

you do not love what people do, you love who they are in therir essence, what they do is based in delusion. unconsciousness operate through these humans. even if human is a criminal  – in them is something pure. if human is heavily burndedned by egoic delusion, a heavy pain body, u have to be heavily present in their presence. a human who is mentally imabalanced you draw out of that human being something that is beyong the delsuion – it can only be temporary, you love the individual human.

Love is not necessarily an active thing but is the allowing fore eg the Virgin Mary, the feminine quality of embracing everything eg a loud noise, you get a shock and then the allowing. you can practice that when you bump into something eg foot or elbow, sharp pain and immediately you shout something! it may be a 4 letter word …. accpet without comment !  you don’rt say i love  the sharp noise, i allow you to behere at this moment in the way you are, can be a person or a situation. that is love rather than I love you !

Are there any instacnes when you cannot accpet?

There aremoments of anf=ger that don;t last long. in the background i accept the anger. A space around it , sadness, I cry.

We were walking in ?italy last year visitng a small town, church bells rinnnig people where carrying out a coffin and I wept, i don’t know who died,. that moment embodies the death of every human being, the impermenance, not a crying of dispaire but a beauty , peacefulness, didn’t say there should be no death , an acceptance, a beautiful expereicnme but a deep sadness but undernetath it there is something that doens;t die. an emotion can still exist with this spaciousness.

Loving what seems unlovable

Ram Das: I love it all! Even that.

we all had a chance to love a dictator this year. He was a form that was causing suffering to many people. Does that make him unlovable? I think that each form is a form of God. Eckhart “sometimes in heavy disguise!”

Ram Das : yeah!

Wondering how Eckhart and Ram perceive psychedelics as a vehicle to explore consciousness?

Eckhart: the expert first!

Ram Das: It’s great!

The mushroom trip that I took left the group and a quiet room I was in a couch and I saw that there was somebody else in the room but the room was dark, I felt there was somebody else and I looked over there in the corner of the room and each of my roles my cello playing, they were a kitsch , roles roles roles.

This drug – I might have amnesia – at least I have in my body and I look down and there was the couch and there was no body on it. My eyes were open.

I wanted to call help but there who wanted to call help? all my roles where there, my body was gone – something. I rolled in the snow the hills I rolled and rolled and I was at Tim’s house and my father and mother’s house only 2 blocks away snowstorm was up to my knees and I walked over to there and they were old  and I was young and I would shovel from the garage I though I really it’s really my heart told me I shoveled and I shoveled and I was really out there and then I looked up at the window and they were both having a peeved look I couldn’t and then but that was I was they were up until then always others people eyes weather I was being reasonable but they were peeved  and I danced a jig around the shovel and I waved at them smiling  that was the first time I ever stand up to external authority

It was 4am in the morning. No one shovels the walk at that hour.

It took me from psychology to Maharaji – that’s pretty good!! I never tell anybody to do it own their own all I say is what happened to me and I boy I yum yum yum yum yum

And I am being facetious but people don’t realise these are very very powerful plants and they should not be used or should be used … God should be your co-pilot.

Eckhart

Of course I can only go on the basis of my own expereicne which is limited … briefly : and one quite recent, a recent experience, it took me so long to try pot but we were in Amsterdam last year and somebody got me high qulity pot to smoke, well might as weell try it as people often ask me questions about it , is it like meditation, is it useflu? so I smoked and what I sadi when it ookeeffcect is like it is maple syrup for the brain and I can see it is a wonderful thing for someone who’s mind very active it slows down… I can see how it can be helpful to people with a mind which never stops … opens a door and then meditate and practice presence.

Acid – 15 years ago I was laready doing counselling , and I get asked .. so I took it – my espericne was simply that the sense perceptions became extremely heghitende, the colours smells sensory touch turning up the volume of everything, i didn;’t lose awareness, it eas there observing, i immediately realised for some people it stops there mind, when you perecive with such intensity u do not have time to comment ! you go wow! and this is like looking at a teapot and feel its aliveness, not shoutrinfg at me but there is a subtle presence. i do not need for things to shout of me, but someone immersed in thought it can be an opening

Mushrooms as part of a sacred journey in certain cultures. May have to wait another lifetime before I try that.

When someone has dementia or Alzheimer’s their being seems to disappear. What is it you are pointing to?

There is an intermeidate stage in Alzehimers when they don’t remember thweir problems, for the first time in theior livfe they become happy! they forget who they are! this happends when you become more present, you rise above thiknig, you develop a loss of memeory or when you take alchool you fall below thinknig, which can be a torutre to you, there is no awareness you are movingtowards sleep.

In alzheimers you expereicne freedom – the mind or brain is omethingthrough which the non loca lconsciousness that pervades the universe assumes a particualr form, an instrument of consciousness, a focal point when the brain decays as in alzheimers the brain can no lonfger fulfil that function so conscionsess withdrawas, it is a slow death- u die before the lhysical, conciosness withdraws. mind form dies before,. consciousnesses till there but no longer in this dimension.

Ram Das you said: Stroke effected your body but not who you are.

This is a vehicle in this plane of consciousness I am using it I’m not identified so it either I said the body had the stroke, I didn’t have the stroke and I when I’m I go into the present moment which is not time and space it’s infinite that’s who I am and I don’t think I’m ego either. They’re all ego and body they are part of this incarnation but I am not part of this incarnation because I’m just visiting this incarnation.

I just wanted to end with 1 final question to make full circle, love not as an emotion but as an experience of the present moment. One pointer in how we can tune in the now, what would it be? 

Eckhart: I’m sure you all know it already , 2 days ago we visited Ram Das, when I left I saw his licence plate on the car — above and below it says “I’d rather be here now ” not “I’d rather be fishing or golfing”

Embracing the present , there is only ever this, is really all there is needed. Be the presence not the mind made entity. You are the now, in essence , on the surface is what happens , in the depth the noiw is the space in which it happens, the world of form coming and going, the space is the unconditioned, formless, timeless, unborn unmanifesteaed, pure consciousness , The One, the Light if the One. Be the NOw be the space for what happens rather than continuously reacting to what happens and being hypnitised by tthw worlds of form, wevery thought says look at me , follow me here! no follow me and then you go on for hours a thoughts after thought, a gravitational pull and u become a person who lives like that – completely absent , only in here even when they meet somebody , they dont see you, only their thoughts about you. stepping out of all that into presence, be the now, the sapce of what is,.

Ram Das:hard to top that! when you meet somebody? they say who are you? you say name, role etc when you are alone and you say who am i? there is awareness, and love and you can I am loving awareness.

Many thanks everybody.