ET: I first became aware of your teachings while I was living in London and a friend of mine gave me a book, she worked in the famous bookstore Watkins, the oldest metaphysical bookstore in the world and she gave me a novel the author was Wayne Dyer, this was in the 80s and it was a novel about a woman from outer space who came to the planet to give spiritual teachings.
WD: Right, her name was Eykis, actually my daughter was born that year, it was her name spelled backwards, Skye, it was about someone who visited another world, where it was exact duplicate of earth, except that the people there, were neurotic like we are here, except that they were neurotic there because there was a reason to be. When this visitor first checked in to the hotel, he turned on the TV set, someone gave the news, then they gave the weather, then they gave the sports and then the anxiety attack report, the likelihood of anxiety attacking over the weekend: it was coming in high, it was coming in fast over the mountains, you wanna get out your Xanax, your No-Pain and tranquilizers because it is going to be heavy doses of anxiety because here on Uranus, which is the title of the place that they went, anxiety really attacks and Eykis comes to Earth and she’s looking at all these people saying they’re having anxiety attacks, but there is no anxiety and it doesn’t attack! The original title of that book was going to be called “If you want to be happy get your head out of your anus” but it turned out to be a little more serious, we’re actually making a movie of that book, it is the only fiction I ever undertaken.
ET : Reminds me a little bit of Aldous Huxley, he wrote a novel called “Island” , which is about a fictitious island, where somebody gets shipwrecked on this island, where he begins to realise the natives live consciously and in awareness and even the parrots in the trees have been trained to remind people to be conscious so they say things like “Attention!! Attention!!” meaning be there, be present, one could say be there as the witnessing presence of your mind, so if you haven’t read it yet, you might enjoy that and is your book still available?
WD: Yes it is, it is in print, everything I’ve done is still in print, it is amazing. It is called “Gifts from Eykis”. what you are saying is reminding me of Mary Oliver, a well known poet, she wrote a poem I used to recite in my talks called “Wild Geese“ and she was asked: “What are the secrets of living an enlightened life? ” and she said it all boils down to and it reminds me of what you have just said :
“Pay attention, be astonished, and tell other people“, she said that’s all you need for a successful life. I think that paying attention
ET:is the key
WD: it is a big part of what you do, I know…
ET: I have told that story in the past but not for a few years, it is about a Zen teacher who actually lived in Japan about a 100 years ago, and his only teaching whenever he was asked to explain the meaning of Zen, his only answer would be to raise his index finger and to look at you, that is the meaning of Zen, what it points to of course is the state of presence, the alert presence. That’s the whole teaching. Of course, Zen is, many people who are drawn to Zen, try to understand it conceptually and they just do not get it, I know Zen monks who just do not get it! because there is nothing to understand conceptually, it is entering the state of consciousness of presence, so it is frustrating, so Zen developed methods to frustrate the mind even more so that it finally gives up its attempt to understand or to know conceptually, that is not just Zen it is the essence, even “A Course in Miracles” says “your understanding is not a powerful contribution to the truth” !
And the paradox is that out of that state of presence very often is that if there is really something you need to know, it arises.
WD: Someone sent me a T-shirt, I gave it to my son, it says “Don’t just do something, stand there”. Like a Zen master!
ET: and that brings us to an interesting topic, and that is being and doing. To reconcile within oneself the two dimensions because here as human beings we are called upon to take action and to create, as the Universe loves to create, new forms, billions, trillions of life forms, we are part of this love of this Universe to create form, and then, and I know that because I have observed myself, and you know it because you know yourself, the Universe also wants to know its own essence through you, the Source, it wants the conscious realisation of the Source and in human beings that is expressed as the draw towards, to be totally content with what is, to be totally at peace in the present moment, to long for that state of absolute beautiful deep peace and I call that, in a minute I’d like your input, I call that the outgoing movement of the Universe is wanting to create and the return movement that the Universe is wanting to know itself, through the human, as in its essence, perhaps everybody here can also feel that within, yes you want to do things but you also want to be, so to not to lose Being while you do and not lose yourself in the doing, get stressed, getting the fruit of the action, the Bhagavad Gītā, not to always look to the next thing to attain so that you remain rooted in Being, and then act from there, out of rootedness, not out of egoic need to have but out of the inner fullness .
And i am sure you have a lot of contribute
i think of moby dick, the author says
“as this appaliing ocean surrounds this verdant … full of peace and joy but encompassed by all the horros of the half lived life”
major problem of world and us, we havebn’t been brought up with our divine, we are part of God, this ordinary part of us, the part of us called the ego, believes who we are is what we accunulate … we want to own things, born into this world with nothing
the Tao does nothing and leaves nothing undone.
My son says I do nothing and I leave nothing undone!
Programmed into a life of accumulating and achieving, we don’t get to the part of us
The extraordinary part of us still has ordinary in it. We still have to follow the rules, beyond ordinary is this what we call the Soul, the Tao that can be named …
the extradorinary part of who we all are is the Soul, the formless, boundless, birthless. deathless, this part of us doenst care of winning, being better, it just wants to expand, the soul is miserable when it is contained, all of us have the soul which is infinite, if it was finite you would be able to find beginning and end. what is infinity? always expanding! this we need to address within oursleves. doesnt need to be better than anyone else. My entire life i have been intrigued by people who do extraordinary things.
Unbroken by Laura Hillerbrand – a story of a man who survived impossible things! what he accomplished, how he survived. we need to address ourselves to creating a world of extraordinary people. We can impact
the basis for that, we talked about creating, you mentioned that part within everyone, the essence, the being, conscious union with that can then lead to awakened doing, if we go back to the being part, a Wayne was speaking, pointing towards that dimension within you, the question is wheter at theis very moment, can u sense the reality in that? can we sense the reality within ourselves where u r no longer deriving sense of who u r from ideas in your head, who u feel ur, limited self, the conditioned self, time bound self, the delusion , jesus pointed to “deny thyself” essential point he teaches, is recognise the unreality of that self. basing your sense of who you are on what ideas you hold about who ur, never feeling fulfilled, u need to defend mental edifice, you need to add to it, at this moment can u sense that within u there is an unconditioned timeless consciousness, prior to all thinking whic his , u cannot make it into an object, it is the eternal subject, the one I, spacious presence, its sense of deep alivesnes which as nothin to do with your history or future, that is the liberation from false sense of self, exhilirating, presnece that cannot be conceptualised or named
Mugdananda was asked “what is real”” “that is real which never changes” You try to define yourself using that definition… how many bodies have u been in? when i was in a 20 year old body i cant find it
who ur is that which keeps occupying each body
deepak would say yor body whci hu came in
who we really are, there is a highest self, one of my teachings was , creator put a spark in each and everyone of us, in my own life, that spark can grow! until u ultimately reach another conclusion, that Jesus came to, why do u stone me? you claim to be God, St Paul said have in you the same mind as in christ jesus … equal with god
we’ve taken this idea, this infinite presence and interpreted the words
Jesus said “God is love”
ET the impermenance and inhabiting diff bodies, same applies to the psycchilogical, starting point of most peoples identity, next place they use is the psychological self image which is also changes, the stram of thinknig, the stream of emotions, who u consider yourself to be, double illusory identification , mental emotional vehicle which is not who ur, continual flux of forms. to recognise that it is a relief in a way. imeprmanece of phy and pscy form u say wow! to the ego, which is ident with that, to ego it is bad news, ego says dreadgul, depressing, but something else in u feels alive and exhilirating when u hear fact of impermenance, that wakens in u, u can call it pure consciousness, the formless, the phy body is a temp phy , deeper meaning of reincarnation, every time i get caught up in a thought, i reincarnate into form, into the thought form, u reincarnate into the mind continously, to stop this cycle or reincarnation, is to dont beleive every thought that arises in your head, u realsie thatthere is a dimension in u that is aware presnce . thoughts come and go, so u touch the place where ur not the phy body not thoughts and emotions, where u r that spacious presence, tyhe eternal I, the light of the qorld. jessu said I am the light of thw world and ur the light of thwe world.
WD : I am ” is very big in my cosnciousness. in the torah, moses floating in a basket, picked up and raissed as pharoah moses encounters burning bush, a voice says to moses “moses moses! ” I am – ur going to fre all your people who am i? i am going to b e with you? what is your name? my name is “Iam that Iam” that shall be my name for all future generations. I am is the name of God.
in the book of joel “I am strong” when u begin to see i am well” the gift of imagination
Jesus i am the way, i am the resurrection, we place so much
be very careful when u use the words I am. everything that exists i am that, u can use the name. not only to look at it from acadameic philospohical view
how can we apply our teachings? this world we are in needs an i am god, in the sense of i am love in what we walk around in
first time life expectacny of a child less than its parents
a nation of addicts not just to illegal drugs, prescrioptons, 1970 2 billion presc tabs in usa indiviudal tabs 2007 113 billion , in 1 generation. overdoes of presc drugs, painkillers, anti psychotic. our food supply has bee ncontaminated. obese. lack of conscious
GMO in our food. violence 242 students to death in chicago. a few days ago in nevada 7 to 8 people blown away
contamination, addictions, projecting it
with oprah, the awareness when we reach levels of consciousness, here now present , we dont just affect ourselves but those around us . that was impactful. it is imp for me not just bcas i feel better but next person i encounter will be impacted. we are called to this
ET the ppl u come into contact with, your state of consciousness transmits itself, 1 neg person can create a chain reactio, a conscious person can stop strwamsstops dissolves in the presence not only effect but collective firled of huma nconsciousness u effect countless others u never meet consciosnes is connected. at a deepr level
WD: Christian nortrup, she was excited i just saw a garden and u plant veggie s for u to eat whatever uenend vit deficience, cancer, thos plants nurtured by u , will prvifde
human consciousness, symbiotic, walk into a room mother theresea. room was in a diff state
When ur steadfast in your abstention from harm, all living creatures will seek to feel fear in you presence
we begin to recgnise we are god
TS Elliot we shall not ceasde in exploration ,
you don;t have to die
ET that is lways same truth in parable Jessu the prodigal son, an ancient parable in diff traditions, the son of a rich father, give me your inheritance, he travels and squanders, becomes beggar, in otehr versions he forgets who he is, he sits at roadside begging, father sends messengers thye find the don, do u know woh ur,? hee begins to remember, the return movement, when he returns, father loveshim more deeply. thisis the sotry of humanity, losing itself in externals. losing connectedness with sources of all being, we become beggars, humans not in spiritual awajeknin, whohave not connected consciously looking for scraps for fulfilment, houser to car, a new partner, anytrhing to give me fulfilment, seeking it htere, condition of person who has lost awareness of the source, the parable, u come into contasct with, justthe suffering becomes so much the pressureof it awakens it and u begin to realise who ur, u become aware of deep connectedness, your essential onesness. loved more4 deeply meaning when u regain awareness of being, which perhaps humans had , the golden age, in many cultures u have diff versions when ppl lived in happiness, that perhaps points our original connectedness then we lost it and now rteturnig to the fathershome to regasin awareness at as depper level, before natural staste, when u have lost something ,u appreciate it more deeplt. in the pat we lived in natural connectedness whe didnt know nature was ll therewas we created a world almost hostile dysfunctions of our condition now enormous sacredness of natural world when we go to the source there isa nadded dimesion i nnautral connectedness now there is a conscious connecteded
WD i thin it is ! w e have an ausdience Public TV! wishes for fulfilled. god is within everyone of us. always careful u cant sayu r good ur divine
it is my story i havve gottne lost on several occasions, orphanges, addictions, dealing with sepration, divorce, the pain , leukaemia, each one of theese has been almost a way for me to recgnise that all spiriutal advances are preced by a fall
Elizabeth cooper roos if u shield mnt from windstroms
the storms of my life, leukemia had brought me back to yuor source god, what came into my life are very significant people healing experience with John of God