Watching LIVE via Webstream Eckhart Tolle and Wayne Dyer in Hawaii: Part 1

ET: I first became aware of your teachings while I was living in London and a friend of mine gave me a book, she worked in the famous bookstore Watkins, the oldest metaphysical bookstore in the world and she gave me a novel the author was Wayne Dyer, this was in the 80s and it was a novel about a woman from outer space who came to the planet to give spiritual teachings.

WD: Right, her name was Eykis, actually my daughter was born that year, it was her name spelled backwards, Skye, it was about someone who visited another world, where it was exact duplicate of earth, except that the people there, were neurotic like we are here, except that they were neurotic there because there was a reason to be. When this visitor first checked in to the hotel, he turned on the TV set, someone gave the news, then they gave the weather, then they gave the sports and then the anxiety attack report, the likelihood of anxiety attacking over the weekend: it was coming in high, it was coming in  fast over the mountains, you wanna get out your Xanax, your No-Pain and tranquilizers because it is going to be heavy doses of anxiety because here on Uranus, which is the title of the place that they went, anxiety really attacks and Eykis comes to Earth and she’s looking at all these people saying they’re having anxiety attacks, but there is no anxiety and it doesn’t attack! The original title of that book was going to be called “If you want to be happy get your head out of your anus” but it turned out to be a little more serious, we’re actually making a movie of that book, it is the only fiction I ever undertaken.

ET : Reminds me a little bit of Aldous Huxley, he wrote a novel called “Island” , which is about a fictitious island, where somebody gets shipwrecked on this island, where he begins to realise the natives live consciously and in awareness and even the parrots in the trees have been trained to remind people to be conscious so they say things like “Attention!! Attention!!” meaning be there, be present, one could say be there as the witnessing presence of your mind, so if you haven’t read it yet, you might enjoy that and is your book still available?

WD: Yes it is, it is in print, everything I’ve done is still in print, it is amazing. It is called “Gifts from Eykis”. what you are saying is reminding me of Mary Oliver, a well known poet, she wrote a poem I used to recite in my talks called “Wild Geese and she was asked: “What are the secrets of living an enlightened life? ” and she said it all boils down to and it reminds me of what you have just said :

Pay attention, be astonished, and tell other people“,  she said that’s all you need for a successful life.  I think that paying attention

ET:is the key

WD: it is a big part of what you do, I know…

ET: I have told that story in the past but not for a few years, it is about a Zen teacher who actually lived in Japan about a 100 years ago, and his only teaching whenever he was asked to explain the meaning of Zen, his only answer would be  to raise his index finger and to look at you, that is the meaning of Zen, what it points to of course is the state of presence, the alert presence. That’s the whole teaching. Of course, Zen is, many people who are drawn to Zen, try to understand it conceptually and they just do not get it, I know Zen monks who just do not get it! because there is nothing to understand conceptually, it is entering the state of consciousness of presence, so it is  frustrating, so Zen developed methods to frustrate the mind even more so that it finally gives up its attempt to understand or to know conceptually, that is not just Zen it is the essence, even  “A Course in Miracles”  says “your understanding is not a powerful contribution to the truth” !

And the paradox is that out of that state of presence very often is that if there is really something you need to know, it arises.

WD: Someone sent me a T-shirt, I gave it  to my son, it says “Don’t just do something, stand there”. Like a Zen master!

ET: and that brings us to an interesting topic, and that is being and doing. To reconcile within oneself the two dimensions because here as human beings we are called upon to take action and to create, as the Universe loves to create, new forms, billions, trillions of life forms, we are part of this love of this Universe to create form, and then, and I know that because I have observed myself, and you know it because you know yourself, the Universe also wants to know its own essence through you, the Source, it wants the conscious realisation of the Source and in human beings that  is expressed as the draw towards, to be totally content with what is, to be totally at peace in the present moment, to long for that state of absolute beautiful deep peace and I call that, in a minute I’d like your input, I call that the outgoing movement of the Universe is wanting to create and the return movement that the Universe is wanting to know itself, through the human, as in its essence, perhaps everybody here can also feel that within, yes you want to do things but you also want to be, so to not to lose Being while you do and not lose yourself in the doing, get stressed, getting the fruit of the action, the Bhagavad Gītā, not to always look to the next thing to attain so that you remain rooted in Being, and then act from there, out of rootedness, not out of egoic need to have but out of the inner fullness .

And i am sure you have a lot of contribute

i think of moby dick, the author says

“as this appaliing ocean surrounds this verdant … full of peace and joy but encompassed by all the horros of the half lived life”

major problem of world and us, we havebn’t been brought up with our divine, we are part of God, this ordinary part of us, the part of us called the ego, believes who we are is what we accunulate … we want to own things, born into this world with nothing

the Tao does nothing and leaves nothing undone.

My son says I do nothing and I leave nothing undone!

Programmed into a life of accumulating and achieving, we don’t get to the part of us

The extraordinary part of us still has ordinary in it. We still have to follow the rules, beyond ordinary is this what we call the Soul, the Tao that can be named …

the extradorinary part of who we all are is the Soul, the formless, boundless, birthless. deathless, this part of us doenst care of winning, being better, it just wants to expand, the soul is miserable when it is contained, all of us have the soul which is infinite, if it was finite you would be able to find beginning and end. what is infinity? always expanding! this we need to address within oursleves. doesnt need to be better than anyone else. My entire life i have been intrigued by people who do extraordinary things.

Unbroken by Laura Hillerbrand – a story of a man who survived impossible things! what he accomplished, how he survived. we need to address ourselves to creating a world of extraordinary people. We can impact


the basis for that, we talked about creating, you mentioned that part within everyone, the essence, the being, conscious union with that can then lead to awakened doing, if we go back to the being part, a Wayne was speaking, pointing towards that dimension within you, the question is wheter at theis very moment, can u sense the reality in that? can we sense the reality within ourselves where u r no longer deriving sense of who u r from ideas in your head, who u feel ur, limited self, the conditioned self, time bound self, the delusion , jesus pointed to “deny thyself” essential point he teaches, is recognise the unreality of that self. basing your sense of who you are on what ideas you hold about who ur, never feeling fulfilled, u need to defend mental edifice, you need to add to it, at this moment can u sense that within u there is an unconditioned timeless consciousness, prior to all thinking whic his , u cannot make it into an object, it is the eternal subject, the one I, spacious presence, its sense of deep alivesnes which as nothin to do with your history or future, that is the liberation from false sense of self, exhilirating, presnece that cannot be conceptualised or named

Mugdananda was asked “what is real”” “that is real which never changes” You try to define yourself using that definition… how many bodies have u been in? when i was in a 20 year old body i cant find it

who ur is that which keeps occupying each body

deepak would say yor body whci hu came in

who we really are, there is a highest self, one of my teachings was , creator put a spark in each and everyone of us, in my own life, that spark can grow! until u ultimately reach another conclusion, that Jesus came to, why do u stone me? you claim to be God, St Paul said have in you the same mind as in christ jesus … equal with god

we’ve taken this idea, this infinite presence and interpreted the words

Jesus said “God is love”

ET the impermenance and inhabiting diff bodies, same applies to the psycchilogical, starting point of most peoples identity, next place they use is the psychological self image which is also changes, the stram of thinknig, the stream of emotions, who u consider yourself to be, double illusory identification , mental emotional vehicle which is not who ur, continual flux of forms. to recognise that it is a relief in a way. imeprmanece of phy and pscy form u say wow! to the ego, which is ident with that, to ego it is bad news, ego says dreadgul, depressing, but something else in u feels alive and exhilirating when u hear fact of impermenance, that wakens in u, u can call it pure consciousness, the formless, the phy body is a temp phy , deeper meaning of reincarnation, every time i get caught up in a thought, i reincarnate into form, into the thought form, u reincarnate into the mind continously, to stop this cycle or reincarnation, is to dont beleive every thought that arises in your head, u realsie thatthere is a dimension in u that is aware presnce . thoughts come and go, so u touch the place where ur not the phy body not thoughts and emotions, where u r that spacious presence, tyhe eternal I, the light of the qorld. jessu said I am the light of thw world and ur the light of thwe world.

WD : I am ” is very big in my cosnciousness. in the torah, moses floating in a basket, picked up and raissed as pharoah moses encounters burning bush, a voice says to moses “moses moses! ” I am – ur going to fre all your people who am i? i am going to b e with you? what is your name? my name is “Iam that Iam” that shall be my name for all future generations. I am is the name of God.

in the book of joel “I am strong” when u begin to see  i am well” the gift of imagination

Jesus i am the way, i am the resurrection, we place so much

be very careful when u use the words I am. everything that exists i am that, u can use the name. not only to look at it from acadameic philospohical view

how can we apply our teachings? this world we are in needs an i am god, in the sense of i am love in what we walk around in

first time life expectacny of a child less than its parents

a nation of addicts not just to illegal drugs, prescrioptons, 1970 2 billion presc tabs in usa indiviudal tabs 2007 113 billion , in 1 generation. overdoes of presc drugs, painkillers, anti psychotic. our food supply has bee ncontaminated. obese. lack of conscious

GMO in our food. violence 242 students to death in chicago. a few days ago in nevada 7 to 8 people blown away

contamination, addictions, projecting it

with oprah, the awareness when we reach levels of consciousness, here now present , we dont just affect ourselves but those around us . that was impactful. it is imp for me  not just bcas i feel better but next person i encounter will be impacted. we are called to this

ET the ppl u come into contact with, your state of consciousness transmits itself, 1 neg person can create a chain reactio, a conscious person can stop strwamsstops dissolves in the presence not only effect but collective firled of huma nconsciousness u effect countless others u never meet consciosnes is connected. at a deepr level

WD: Christian nortrup, she was excited i just saw a garden and u plant veggie s for u to eat whatever uenend vit deficience, cancer, thos plants nurtured by u , will prvifde

human consciousness, symbiotic, walk into a room mother theresea. room was in a diff state

When ur steadfast in your abstention from harm, all living creatures will seek to feel fear in you presence

we begin to recgnise we are god

TS Elliot we shall not ceasde in exploration ,

you don;t have to die

ET that is lways same truth in parable Jessu the prodigal son, an ancient parable in diff traditions, the son of a rich father, give me your inheritance, he travels and squanders, becomes beggar, in otehr versions he forgets who he is, he sits at roadside begging, father sends messengers thye find the don, do u know woh ur,? hee begins to remember, the return movement, when he returns, father loveshim more deeply. thisis the sotry of humanity, losing itself in externals. losing connectedness with sources of all being, we become beggars, humans not in spiritual awajeknin, whohave not connected consciously looking for scraps for fulfilment, houser to car, a new partner, anytrhing to give me fulfilment, seeking it htere, condition of person who has lost awareness of the source, the parable, u come into contasct with, justthe suffering becomes so much the pressureof it awakens it and u begin to realise who ur, u become aware of deep connectedness, your essential onesness. loved more4 deeply meaning when u regain awareness of being, which perhaps humans had , the golden age, in many cultures u have diff versions when ppl lived in happiness, that perhaps points our original connectedness then we lost it and now rteturnig to the fathershome to regasin awareness at as depper level, before natural staste, when u have lost something ,u appreciate it more deeplt. in the pat we lived in natural connectedness whe didnt know nature was ll therewas we created a world almost hostile dysfunctions of our condition now enormous sacredness of natural world when we go to the source there isa nadded dimesion i nnautral connectedness now there is a conscious connecteded

WD i thin it is ! w e have an ausdience Public TV! wishes for fulfilled. god is within everyone of us. always careful u cant sayu r good ur divine

it is my story i havve gottne lost on several occasions, orphanges, addictions, dealing with sepration, divorce, the pain , leukaemia, each one of theese has been almost a way for me to recgnise that all spiriutal advances are preced by a fall

Elizabeth cooper roos if u shield mnt from windstroms

the storms of my life, leukemia had brought me back to yuor source god, what came into my life are very significant people healing experience with John of God

Eckhart discusses the many faces of meditation and its ultimate essence: realizing the precious spaciousness in the depths of the moment.

All meditation is about accessing the spiritual dimension within you, which the Buddha called EMPTINESS. Not perhaps the best translation of the original term … SPACIOUSNESS would be a better translation than EMPTINESS.

So, finding that dimension within you, accessing  that dimension and living your life with the awareness of that dimension, which means living your life with awareness, rather than just with the mind.

So, usually people think that when somebody believes in God, or angels or the afterlife, then they are spiritual,  that makes them spiritual but that is not necessarily the case. Millions of people in this world who believe in God and have no access and not found within themselves access to the spiritual dimension.

So, we are here, in the case of some of you, perhaps new to this, for some of you to get a glimpse to this as we sit here, and watch and listen, I will endeavor  to put you in touch with that depth within you, without which your life is frustrating, and without which everything you undertake, every endeavor and every activity,  ultimately becomes frustrating.

And for others, we are here just to deepen it, to provide a reminder on a conceptual level,  to deepen the dimension they already have access to within. So that it can be sustained in everyday life. On thing is  accessing the spiritual dimension in a meditation setting, like here and now, which is already a good thing if you are able to do that, when you sit still and become still inside, another thing is to carry that with you so to speak, so that it is there when you lead your life; when you do things, talk to people, interact, even when you think, to have that in the background.

So we have 2 steps.

The first is to realise that within  you, you are not being disturbed, externally, by your mind, for e.g. what is he talking about? as the mind does not understand conceptual , conceptual mind alone is not sufficient to make a satisfying experience for you this 30 to 40 minutes here so for this to be a satisfying experience you need to have at least a glimpse of what it is that I am pointing to and a glimpse also of that which underlies the words ultimately you can only glimpse that in you, there is a stillness behind the words; as I speak within myself, and there can be stillness within you as you listen to the words.

That is already a glimpse into the spiritual dimension. A realisation that on the one hand, on one level you have the auditory perception, you are listening to the words, the visual perception, you are seeing this image and on another level you also notice that there is some stillness inside you. Where the mind is not active no need to think to add to something to this experience. You can just let it be as it is.

So the dimension stillness begins to arise or you become aware that it is there. It is always there, that is the strange thing. Always there, all-pervasive, and yet most people still don’t know that. Of course that is very much like telling a fish that there is something called water and the fish says “where? I can’t see anything called water, can you point it out to me?”

So, this is my task, to point out water you are swimming in water inside you.

As I pointed out in the beginning the Buddha called the spiritual dimension EMPTINESS which would be better translated as SPACIOUSNESS and Jesus calls it the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN which translated into modern terminology if you change the word Kingdom which is an old-fashioned concept, to DIMENSION, which is a more modern concept, the DIMENSION OF HEAVEN, you can even translate heaven into a more modern concept, to make it work for you, as a pointer. What is Heaven? Some languages have sky as the same word. what is the sky or heaven? It is SPACIOUSNESS; THE DIMENSION OF SPACIOUSNESS is the  KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

So the Buddha calls it that, Jesus calls it that, and TIME magazine calls it mumbo jumbo, which is also true from the perspective of the conceptual, conceptualizing, mind. If you are totally trapped in concepts, thoughts, then it makes no sense! And do only thing you can conceive of  a spiritual is some belief system! You say “oh these people have belief systems, these spiritual have all kinds of weird beliefs”; and of course it is not that at all.

so, it’s already there, it’s already present within you, the strange thing is it is continuously overlooked because your attention is drawn into sensory perceptions, experiencing with your senses, reaching out with your senses, listening, touching, smelling , seeing,  everything demands your attention and your attention is drawn even more strongly – the interpretations of your mind – in other words – thought activity which actually can make you forget a large part of sensual perception in modern humans, contemporary humans, there’s more thought activity than sensory perceptions, so you are being drawn yes to sensory perception, but even more so in mind activity, and then drawn also into emotions that accompany mind activity.

So your life consists we could say basically of the 3 levels, sense perceptions, thoughts and emotions. And what is overlooked is the deeper dimension in which the 3 others exist, that’s the spaciousness within you. It is always there, it is just a question of re-directing your attention to it but that is not absolutely right to say that but unfortunately language works like that. As you sit here, let’s just go through it again, you are aware of sense perceptions especially visual and auditory, yes, there may be some thoughts arising in your mind, now whatever thoughts arise in your mind here and now, obviously quite irrelevant, but that’s another matter, there may be thoughts arising from time to time, so while you are listening you may think “what’s he driving it, when are we going to start our meditation?” etc

Mumbo jumbo! Thoughts come and go and you may have emotions.. restlessness perhaps. or a thought about tomorrow what’s going to happen tomorrow and you have an emotion associated with that as we sit here notice there are these levels operating in you, and then you could ask yourself

who or what is it in me that notices these things – these sense perceptions ?

what is it in me that is aware of sense perceptions? aware that there are thoughts, aware that there is an emotion?

And that is who you are at a deeper level of the transcendent or the spiritual dimension, the awareness of all this. The still spacious consciousness  in the background so to speak. You could call it, just to briefly use an analogy, be aware of the canvas on which your life is drawn, painted.

An ancient question in spirituality is “who am I?” and if you look closely you will see that you are not your thoughts, you are not your sense perceptions,  you are not your emotions, they come and go! what remains is consciousness, awareness, that’s the water that the fish didn’t know about as far as you are concerned. and it is an amazing thing when you realise that there is a great depth in you than your surface life, that consists of sense perceptions, thoughts and emotions, they come together in different forms , so every human has a somewhat different story of coming together of sense perceptions, thoughts and emotions – form the human being, the person and they come together in each person slightly or in a very different way.

So it’s a coming together of this that this creates the temporary form that we call the person, but that can only exist in the light of consciousness, without that there is nothing there, nobody.

So your life is a little bit like this, you are watching your screen, let’s say cinema screen, all kinds of things happen there, of course the screen is inside you, so let’s imagine there is a screen inside your mind, and on that screen your life is being enacted, with your thoughts, sense perceptions, things happening, drama, this and that and wow it’s so interesting or it’s so dreadful or I can’t stand it anymore, I want more of it! I haven’t had enough yet! and so on ….

And suddenly you realise that there’s a screen that’s inside you and you are the projector, you are the light of the projector, and that changes, of course, fundamentally the way in which you relate to the events on the screen! How does it do that? well you can see for yourself! If you see that you are the light of the projector, it adds this dimension of awareness to what you are witnessing on the screen. It gives you a certain detachment from what happens because you realise that there is something more essential or fundamental in you than all the things that are going on in that screen! And if you don’t know that … you’re totally drawn into the events on the screen and for most people sooner or later the events on the screen turn into some kind of drama, “nothing lasts for very long”, “there is no security in my life”, “why do things always have to be so frustrating?”, but then you always look for more, on t he screen, for something , a solution on the screen, it;s never there, pseudo solutions come from time to time and happy moments … and then again ….that’s because you do not know who you are or what you are! it doesn’t matter whether we call it who or what. Who or what you are ESSENTIALLY –  which is the light of consciousness. which is the projector, which can be sensed, within you at any moment like NOW as an aware presence. You can sense it, not as something that you are aware of, it is a self awareness, you cannot sense it as an object that arises in your consciousness, you can only sense it as yourself, as the eternal subject of all experiences.

So you can never  say (pointing at it, outwards of you) “aah there it is! there I am, there is the awareness! ”  It’s never THERE! You can never say “I see it” or “I have it”, Jesus said “The Kingdom of Heaven is not ” … you can’t say “oh look it’s over there! or look! there!”, but I tell you he said “The Kingdom of Heaven is within you!” – not “over there or over there!” In other words it cannot be made into an object. You cannot make yourself into an object of knowledge, also at this point of self-realisation, realising yourself as the consciousness, right now, there’s nothing that you need to know about yourself conceptually or through thought activity, in fact the more strongly you feel the presence that YOU ARE, the less thoughts there are, there may be some thoughts that arise, but you are no longer attached, or IDENTIFIED  with every thought. Drawn into every thought; there’s the screen – remember the screen is inside you – and you are the LIGHT. And then you have the awareness in your life, the conscious awareness. And that changes the way 1st it changes the way in which you experience your life, with spaciousness, things come and go but there’s no longer the clinging to them, some drama may still happen, but you are not totally drawn in, there may be disturbances still on the screen, but there always is some part of you then that is there, aware, watching , what happens out there, watching your own reactions, there is a little bit of , if you see old Buddha images, all the good old Buddha images have a hint of a smile and what that means or points to is the smile that comes, whether it is an actual smile or an inner smile, when you are not totally drawn in to the world of form. What happens on the screen , there is some freedom, there is a smile. So how you experience your life changes as the spaciousness comes in, and then how you do things also changes. How you interact with others, and there is always an element of spaciousness, when you interact with people that’s a wonderful thing, if you do not have that, all human interactions are very problematic and ultimately always unsatisfying. If there is no spaciousness, and this applies to the slightest interaction, the most short, casual meeting with a stranger, or intimate relationships, people you have lived with for a long time, if there is no element of spaciousness, it’s not a satisfying relationship. It can appear to be satisfying for a short time, for e.g. until the honeymoon is over, but then you realise “oh… !”, no matter with whom you have your honeymoon with, if you had your honeymoon with the Buddha, if you could not see the Buddha with spaciousness, all you could see is the  limitations of that particular life form! And as a form, the Buddha too, or Jesus or whoever, has his or her limitations. So how does that operate when you look at another human being? or you talk to another human being? You are aware within yourself of the fact that you are conscious you can sense the presence of consciousnesses in you, sometimes I use the word stillness to point at it , so you look at another human being and he or she is talking to you, you listen and you watch in that still space, or you look at another human being and you are not interacting, just looking and you look without labeling or if labels arise that say something about that human being, you are aware that it is just a mental label, and you see that there is the presence behind it, that you are the light of presence.

so it’s an awakening, there is much more alertness in your life, an AWAKE ALERTNESS, that watches and perceives. And much less a judge of what is being perceived. Some judgement may happen but you are NOT completely drawn to it. That’s the practice. that’s the meditation. It starts HERE NOW.

I’m inviting you now to enter with me that beautiful space of as much as you can of not thinking. Are you able to be conscious and not think? this is an opportunity to get a glimpse of that or deepen that ability in you just aware presence, sense the presence that you are without needing to say anything in your mind, the voice in your head rests, and you haven’t disappeared! isn’t that strange! because many  people think they are the voice in their head! it takes them over! and now the voice in the head subsides and you can sense very clearly that who you are essentially has not disappeared.  In fact you sense your identity more clearly, more strongly, and that is your essence identity, you actually are beyond all the things that happen on the screen of your mind. Again I am inviting you in this moment to rest with me, not to go to sleep, not to become hypnotised, I am not interested in that, I am inviting you to rest in that simple presence. And sense this presence , the sensing and the presence are ONE, I can sense my presence, subject and object, but when it actually happens -it is not actually happening, you see how inadequate every word is! – there is a self sensing of consciousness. and when that comes you might notice a slight elation almost, an aliveness, a heightened sense of aliveness, and that’s a beautiful place to go to when you have a moment and that happens many times during the day, even in a busy life, a moment when you choose to go into presence. And choose not to think. And then presence so to speak grows in you, so to speak, and the person recedes a little , and when we use the expression to grow spiritually we mean the person becomes less dense and the presence arise more and gradually the presence is what speaks and acts through you, your mind gets tuned into presence and you say things that come out of presence rather than the old stuff.

So the shift then happens from being trapped in the person and the arising of that which is beyond the person and that is the metamorphosis of the caterpillar which is the person into the butterfly so to speak.

If that happens on a large scale on our planet it would be the equivalent of the arising of a new species because a human being living in presence is very different from a human being who is unaware of that presence, who operate without that awareness; and the human being that lives in presence creates a different world from the human being that lives  completely trapped in their conditioning.